
THE POSTTRBULATION RAPTURE
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But What About . . .
Webster:
imminent—
1.
likely to occur at any
moment; impending
2.
projecting or leaning
forward; overhanging[i]
I had to use an English dictionary here, since the Bible
never uses the word imminent in
relation to the Lord’s coming. The teaching of imminency is based upon passages
of Scripture which describe his coming as something we are to expect, as if it
could be soon. The question then becomes whether this is an any-moment coming
(meaning 1) or an overhanging, possibly-in-the-near-future coming (meaning 2).
If we define imminent by meaning 2,
then post-tribulationists have no problem with the term.
Jesus said that no man knows the day
nor the hour of his return (Matthew 24:36; 25:13; Mark 13:32). He also said
that, at least to some, it would come unexpectedly (Matthew 24:44; Luke 12:40).
He also exhorted believers to “watch” for his coming (Matthew 24:42; 25:13; Mark
13:35, 37; Luke 21:36). I believe that this is what
most people have in mind when you
mention the Lord’s imminent return. A good pre-tribulationist, however, will not
appeal to these passages to support his doctrine, because these are all in
reference to the post-tribulational
second coming. This is seen in one of the classic books on pre-tribulation
dispensationalism, Things to Come,
under the title “The Doctrine of Imminence,” where the only passage Pentecost
gives to support imminency from the gospels is John 14:2-3.[ii]
The other passages he appeals to are Acts 1:11; 1 Corinthians 15:51-52;
Philippians 3:20; Colossians 3:4; 1 Thessalonians 1:10; 1 Timothy 6:14; James
5:8 and 2 Peter 3:3-4.[iii]
I would like to look at each of these passages and see if they demand an
“any-moment” coming.
Although I will return to discuss other implications of this
passage later, John 14:2-3 in no way implies that this return must be at any
moment. Jesus simply states, “I am going, but I will be back.” Even if this was
referring to a pre-tribulational coming, it need not be “at any moment.”
Acts 1:11 states that after Jesus was taken up into the sky,
the disciples continued to look up into heaven. Then the angels who were
standing by told them Jesus would one day
“come in just the same way as you have watched him go into heaven.” I
believe the idea is that, just as he ascended from the earth up into the sky, he
would one day come back from the sky down to this earth. If anything, this
sounds like a post-tribulational coming. The fact that the disciples were told
that Jesus would one day return is no different from what he had been telling
them himself. Unless Pentecost is referring to the fact that they are left
gazing up into heaven, (which suggests more their amazement with what just
transpired than the idea that they expected him immediately to come back down),
I see nothing in this passage which implies an any moment return.
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 does not teach
an any-moment return but rather states that at the resurrection those who are
still alive will be changed
instantly: “we will all be changed, in a
moment, in the twinkling of an eye.”
Philippians 3:20 states that we
“eagerly await” for the return of the
Lord. The point Pentecost is trying to make is that we would not “eagerly await”
for an event which we knew could not happen at any moment. The problem with this
is that this same word, apekdexomai,
is used of God waiting for Noah to finish building the ark (1 Pet. 3:20).
Obviously God did not expect him to be done at “any moment.”
Colossians 3:4 says that
“when Christ, who is our life, is
revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory.” This says
nothing about the nearness of the event but simply states that when Jesus is
revealed to the world, we also will be revealed with him in glory.[iv]
Actually, that fact that we will be revealed with him seems to demand a post-tribulational
setting. It is after the Tribulation that Jesus Christ will be revealed to the
world in all his glory and it is the hope of the believer to take part in this
event as well (Rom. 8:19; 2 Thess. 1:7; 1 Pet. 1:7; 4:13).
In 1 Thessalonians 1:10, Paul mentions how the Thessalonians
had turned to God to serve him and “to
wait for His Son from heaven.” This is similar to the argument used in
Philippians 3:20, but, since this word is found only here in the New Testament,
I will have to refer to the Septuagint—the Greek translation of the Old
Testament—for comparison. It is found only a handful of times there as well,
where the meaning also seems to be “to wait” with some expectation, but one
verse of particular interest is Job 7:2. Here Job speaks of a
“hired man who eagerly waits for his
wages.” Obviously a hired man would be anxious to receive his wages but
would not expect them at “any moment.”
In 1 Timothy 6:14, Paul urges Timothy
to “keep the commandment without stain or
reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Apparently what
Pentecost is implying is that if Timothy had known that there would be a time
period before the Lord came back, then he would not have kept the commandment
“without stain or reproach.” This is
a common idea which pre-tribulationists use to discredit post-tribulationism and
to support imminency. The idea is that imminency urges us to holy living while
post-tribulationism leads people to grow cold. I will discuss this in the next
chapter, but let it suffice to say that I think Timothy had enough love for God
to live for him whether he was to return at any moment or was going to be a
while. Paul’s point in this passage is that our struggle is over once Jesus
comes back. This is when we will receive glorified bodies, and sin will no
longer have power over us.[v]
James 5:8 states that “the coming of the Lord is near.”
Well, was it truly near or was James simply telling them this so that they would
be constantly expecting it? Obviously the latter is ridiculous. In some real
way, the coming of the Lord was near to them. Jesus says that he is coming
quickly four times in the book of Revelation and yet it has already been close
to two thousand years and he still has not come. Peter addresses this dilemma in
2 Peter 3:3-4, and answers it directly in verses 8 and 9:
“But do not let this one fact escape your
notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a
thousand years like one day. The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some
count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for
all to come to repentance.” I believe that the idea is that in the scope of
eternity this really is a short time.
Furthermore, to say that the coming of the Lord is
near still does not require an “any
moment” coming. It is no wonder that Pentecost did not quote the preceding
verse, “Therefore be patient, brethren,
until the coming of the Lord. The farmer waits for the precious produce of the
soil, being patient about it, until it gets the early and late rains” (5:7).
James’ point here seems to be the exact opposite. We are to expect a delay, but
we should still be patient.
Now, since Pentecost also uses the 2 Peter passage to
support an any-moment rapture, we must address it as well. This passage states
that in the last days mockers will be saying,
“Where is the promise of his coming?”
(2 Pet. 3:3-4). I fail to see how this requires an imminent coming but could
easily see why people would be saying this who had been taught a pre-tribulation
rapture. Once the Tribulation has begun, and Christians are still here who had
been telling everyone that they wouldn’t be, I could easily see mockers come and
say, “Oh, really? What happened?”
Also, if teaching that certain events must be fulfilled
before the Lord returns is in opposition to some fundamental truth then no
prophecy in the New Testament would be possible. Jesus told Peter that he would
die as an old man by crucifixion (John 21:18-19). He also told the disciples to
go and preach the gospel to all nations (Matthew 28:19-20), which would require
a considerable amount of time. Paul said that in latter times some would depart
from the faith and teach false doctrines (1 Tim. 4:1-3). Peter also prophesied
that later there would be false teachers
“among you” (i.e. in the church) whom many would follow (2 Pet. 2:1-2). None
of this could be possible if they were expecting the Lord to return at any
moment. They expected more time to transpire before the coming of the Lord.
Returning to what I said in the
beginning, most people think of Jesus’ statements about no man knowing when he
will return and his exhortations to watch for him when they think of imminency.[vi]
However, since these are in clear reference to the second coming after the
Tribulation, this is a problem for pre- and post-tribulationists alike. It is
difficult to explain how the second coming could be “imminent” when we know it
will take place exactly seven years after the Tribulation begins.
However, this is more of a problem for pre-tribulationists
because they use imminency to support their position, and Jesus’ description of
the second coming is more “imminent” than any which they claim as reference to
the rapture. In other words, their doctrine is self defeating. If they reject
post-tribulationism because of the fact that the rapture is imminent, then they
must explain how the second coming, after the Tribulation, could also be
imminent. Post-tribulationists must also deal with these passages as well, but,
since we don’t rely on imminency to defend our position, leaving them as an
unknown mystery neither helps nor hurts us.
However, I will attempt to reconcile this the best that I
can. First, it seems possible that the day will only come unexpectedly on
unbelievers and those who are not watching. In fact, this is why Jesus exhorts
us to watch. In his parable about the fig tree he states that just as you know
summer is near by watching the leaves on the tree,
“so, you too, when you see all these
things, recognize that He is near, right at the door” (Matthew 24:33). When
he said “watch,” he obviously didn’t mean to literally look up in the sky
watching for his return. Rather, it seems that he meant “watch for the signs
which will be taking place.” In another parable he told the disciples that
“if the head of the house had known at
what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and
would not have allowed his house to be broken into” (Matthew24:43). It was
as though he were saying, “You don’t know, but you should know,” or “It is not
possible to know now, but as that day approaches it will become evident to those
who are watching.” Paul said that the day of the Lord would overtake the world
“like a thief,” but, since the believers were of the light, it would not
overtake them “like a thief” (1
Thess. 5:2-4). Jesus told the church at
Finally, as was discussed previously,
it seems that Paul’s primary reason for writing 2 Thessalonians is to refute the
idea that the day of the Lord could now be present (2:2).[vii]
He says emphatically that that day will not come until the man of sin is
revealed and the great apostasy takes place (2:3). Also, as I said before, the
plain reading of the first two verses is that he connects
his coming and
our gathering with the
day of the Lord.[viii]
This would completely exclude a pre-tribulation rapture.
Another argument which pre-tribulationists use to refute
post-tribulationism is that, if all believers are raptured after the
Tribulation, and all unbelievers are killed, then from where do the mortals come
to populate the kingdom? However, first it must be demonstrated that all
unbelievers are killed. Revelation 19:21 states that after the beast and the
false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire,
“the rest were killed with the sword.”
On the surface this seems to support their view, but a closer look will show
that in context “the rest” refers to
“the kings of the earth and their armies”
(v. 19), not every living person on the earth. Even so, it is more likely that
this means that the rest who were killed
were killed with the sword. In other words, the antichrist and the false prophet
were thrown into the lake of fire alive, but he used the sword on the others.
Also, concerning the Millennium, Zechariah 14:16 reads,
“Then it will come about that any who are
left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year
to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths.”
Here are people who had gone to war against
Furthermore, Daniel states that the
other three beasts (kingdoms) which he saw were allowed to live after Christ
returns and the antichrist is destroyed (Dan. 7:11-12). These are kingdoms which
are on the earth while the antichrist is and yet live on into the Millennium.[ix]
These are also distinguished from the kingdom which is given to “the saints”
(Dan. 7:17-18). In fact, this book is very clear that all other kingdoms will
serve and obey this kingdom (Dan. 7:14, 26-27). It seems from these two
passages, then, that nations or “kingdoms” will live on into the Millennium and
be subject to the kingdom and rule of Christ.
“Because
you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also
will keep you from the
hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test
those who dwell on the earth.” [Rev. 3:10]
This has been said to be one of the most disputed passages
concerning the rapture question. I have read countless pages in which scholars
from both sides trace the meaning of the words
tereo and
ek, “I will keep you from,” from
classical Greek, through the Septuagint and the New Testament and on through the
patristic writings. The question has been whether the idea of emergence on
account of a prior existence is in view or whether it refers to keeping the
believers in a position outside of the field of testing.
I avoid the discussion all together because I see no reason
to apply this verse to us. Seven times John is instructed to write a specific
message to a specific church, “to the
angel of the church in . . .” He then writes a message which pertains
particularly to them and follows it with an exhortation to anybody who has at
least one ear. (This would even include Van Gogh.) This pattern is followed
seven times. We would not apply the prophecy to the church at
One interpretation that many pre-tribulationists appeal to
states that not only were these literal churches but that they also represent
successive “church ages” (which does not grow out of the grammatical-historical
method but is quite allegorical). Now even if this were true, it would still be
a secondary meaning, and they would first need to explain how this promise was
fulfilled to the literal church at
Also, the analogies do not hold up
very well. For instance, Tim Lahaye puts
Another problem with this view is
that nobody wants to be
[1] After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing
open in heaven, and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a
trumpet speaking with me, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must
take place after these things.” [2] Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold,
a throne was standing in heaven, and One sitting on the throne. [Rev. 4:1-2]
Although this is being abandoned today, some pre-tribulationists
have used this verse as symbolic of the rapture of the church. They then
conclude that, since John sees the Tribulation after this, then the rapture of
the church must be before the Tribulation. First of all, it would not be
possible for John to be taken to
heaven after these things took place, since he had to be in heaven to see them.
Of necessity, he had to have been taken up before. Also, most pre-tribulationists
see the twenty-four elders as also being the church. If John represents the
rapture, then why are the elders already present and seated when he arrives?
In addition, it seems that when John is first taken up he is
taken into eternity. He obviously was not taken up to heaven in his own time.
Jesus told his disciples that in his kingdom they would be seated on thrones
around him (Matthew 19:28). Also, the fact that
“every created thing which is in heaven
and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them”
(Rev. 5:13) is here worshipping God would seem to demand that this be in
eternity, when “all things are subjected
to Him” (1 Cor. 15:28). I believe that he begins in eternity, and a drama is
enacted before him in which they are going back and reliving what took place. In
other words, they are telling the story once again of how things got to be they
way they now are.
Also, the description of what takes place doesn’t line up
too well with Paul’s description of the rapture. Instead of Jesus appearing in
the sky, John merely sees a door open in heaven. We can not be gathered together
to meet Jesus if he isn’t there. John does not actually hear a trumpet but he
hears a voice which is like a trumpet,
which is how he had already described the voice of Jesus (1:10).
Finally, it seems that Jesus tells
John why he is being taken up, so that he could
“show you what must take place after
these things.”[xi]
Paul experienced a similar event and even used the same word used to describe
the “catching away” (harpadzo) of the
church and no one claims that this is the rapture (2 Cor. 12:2-4). The fact in
both cases is that they were merely taken up to heaven in order to see things
take place in heaven.[xii]
Jesus taught that after he returns he
would separate the sheep from the goats (Matthew 25:30-46), the wheat from the
tares (Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43), or the good fish from the bad fish (Matthew
13:47-50). He also said that the sheep would inherit the kingdom, and the goats
would be thrown into eternal fire. If everyone is included in one of these two
groups, and if this takes place immediately after he returns, then we are back
to the question: “Where do the mortals come from to populate the kingdom?”[xiii]
This is complicated by some other issues.
First of all, Jesus also said that no one can enter the
kingdom who has not been born of water and Spirit (John 3:5), and Paul said that
“flesh and blood cannot inherit the
So I am suggesting two possibilities:
1). Not everyone is included in this judgment; 2). This is the same as the Great
White Throne judgment, which takes place after the Millennium. Both of these
options leave some unanswered questions but less than the pre-tribulationists’
position. Either way, simply because one position solves some of the
difficulties of the other does not make it correct. This can only be used as
supporting evidence once the teaching is established elsewhere (which hopefully
is where the Bible speaks directly to the subject).[xiv]
It is not uncommon to hear pre-tribulationists state that
Daniel’s seventieth week (the Tribulation)
pertains to
It is true that Gabriel’s message to Daniel was about
Second, concerning the passage in Romans, I fail to see how
a pre-tribulation rapture could be when the
“fullness of the Gentiles has come in,”
since multitudes of Gentiles will be saved
during the Tribulation (Rev. 7:9-14).
But Paul answers this dilemma in the same passage. He states that once the
fullness of the Gentiles has come in,
“all
“[1] Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God,
believe also in Me. [2] In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it
were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. [3] If
I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself,
that where I am, there you may be also.” [John 14:1-3]
It has been argued from this passage that when Jesus comes
for the church he will take us to heaven. It therefore follows that this can not
be his post-tribulational second coming where he comes to the earth. This is a
good example of the inconsistency with pre-tribulationism. Jesus is talking to
his disciples, the same people he addresses in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew
24-25). The only reason pre-tribulationists conclude that this passage applies
to the church but the Olivet Discourse does not is the bias which they bring to
the passage.
However, a close look will show that he does not say that he
will take them to heaven when he returns. He only states that he is leaving to
go build them a house but that he will return so that they will all be together
again. The question, then, is where will he be at his return? Now I readily
admit that if this was the only verse in the Bible which described the Lord’s
return, I would assume that he was saying that he was going to take us to heaven
when he comes back. However, it does not
demand such a meaning. When we interpret this passage in light of the many
other passages which describe his coming as a return to the earth, then there is
no problem seeing the same thing here. All that is required is that he and the
disciples be together after he returns.
Also, it would seem strange for him to tell them about this
house which they would go to live in when he comes, if they would live there
seven years only to vacate it for a thousand. He does not present the New
Jerusalem to his bride until after the Millennium (Rev. 21:2). What Jesus is
doing here is discussing events which will take place in the future but not at
the same time. Although he does not specify the “gap,” he does leave room for
it.
Revelation 19 describes the second coming of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 20 mentions the resurrection of believers. Since the rapture and
resurrection of church saints takes place with Christ in the air, pre-tribulationists
claim that this passage requires a separate event. If the resurrection takes
place after Christ comes, then they would be right. However, a closer look will
show that John does not actually tell us when the resurrection happens. It seems
that when he sees those who had been beheaded for Christ they are already alive.
Some translations say that at this
point they “came to life” (ingressive
aorist), while others simply say that they
“lived” (constative aorist). Both
translations are possible, so this is a matter of interpretation. However, since
ebasileusan, “they reigned,” is
definitely a constative aorist,[xv]
it is likely that “lived and reigned”
is one thought. In other words John is saying that they “lived
and reigned” with Christ for a thousand years.
Some pre-tribulationists see the point I have been trying to
make that the Bible does not teach two different comings but that the writers of
Scripture only saw one event. Their answer to this is that prophets would
sometimes see two events as one, the way that two mountain peaks appear to be
right next to each other from a distance but are really far apart when you get
closer. This is seen in Old Testament prophecies of Jesus’ suffering and
reigning. Now I agree that this phenomenon does appear in Scripture and have
used this argument in my discussion of John 14:1-3. Although I didn’t mention
it, I also think this is a possibility for Jesus’ parables about the wheat and
tares, good and bad fish, and the sheep and the goats.
However, when this happens the “gap” is only discovered
after the fact or when it is later revealed in Scripture. The separation of
Jesus’ return and the Great White Throne judgment by one thousand years is not
taught until the book of Revelation. Therefore, if Paul—who is the only one who
taught the “catching away” of the church—did not see that this was a separate
event, then where else is it revealed in Scripture? If the writers of the New
Testament did not see two comings, then how can we?
Also, when this phenomenon of the two mountain peaks does
occur, even though Scripture does not state that there is a gap, it does leave
room for one. I do not believe that the passages which we have discussed do
this. For example, as I already stated, Paul told the believers at Thessalonica
that they would receive their rest when
Jesus comes in flaming fire, taking vengeance (2 Thess. 1:7-8). Jesus
specifically stated that his return would be after the Tribulation (Matthew
24:29-30), and I have tried to show that this is the same event which Paul
describes in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.
Pre-tribulationists claim that there must be a time interval
between the Lord’s coming for his church and his return to earth in order for
the rewarding of the saints and the marriage to take place. As far as the
rewards go, I think Revelation 11:18 makes it abundantly clear that the
rewarding of the saints takes place after Jesus returns to set up his kingdom.
Jesus himself taught that at least part of the rewards would consist of levels
of rulership in the kingdom (Luke 19:16-19). In no passage which mentions
rewards for the saints do I see the need for this to take place before Christ
returns. On the contrary, Paul calls our reward
“the reward of the inheritance” (Col.
3:24) and at least part of our inheritance is the
As for the marriage, I do not see why this needs to take
place before the second coming either. In fact, in Revelation 19:7, right when
Jesus is about to return, we are told that
“the marriage of the Lamb has come and
His bride has made herself ready.” It seems here that she is ready for the
Lamb to return so that she can get married. In 19:9, an angel tells John to
write, “Blessed are those who are invited
to the marriage supper [deipnon] of the Lamb.” The only other time we find
this word in the book of Revelation is after his return in verse 17 when an
angel is inviting birds to the great supper (deipnon)
of God.
Another reason some argue for a
pre-tribulation rapture is that John does not use the word
ekklesia “church” in Revelation 4-19
when he is describing the Tribulation. My first response to this is that John
also sees scenes in heaven as well as on earth. If the church is in heaven, then
why doesn’t he see them there? Also, he does not use the word
ekklesia in Revelation 19-22:15
either. This time period describes the return of the Lord, the marriage to his
bride, his millennial kingdom and eternity. We would expect to see the church
here as well. However, in all of John’s writings[xvi]
he never uses the word ekklesia to
refer to the universal body of believers but only to the individual assembly.
John does, however, speak of the “saints” throughout the book of Revelation.
And, as we have discussed earlier, at the close of the book of Revelation, Jesus
says that these things were written for the benefit of “the churches” (Rev.
22:16).[xvii]
The argument is that pre-tribulationism
keeps everybody “on their toes,” whereas post-tribulationism leads towards a
lukewarm lifestyle. Well, I am a post-tribulationist and as I consider that I
may one day suffer persecution and possibly even give my life for my faith in
Christ, “lukewarm” is hardly the attitude which comes to mind. However, how
people may respond is not the way in which we determine what is truth. Many
people have set dates for the rapture in the past. Some took this seriously and
adjusted their behavior accordingly.[xviii]
However, just because it had a positive result does not make it true. I could
just as easily argue that because of pre-tribulationism many people figure that
they’ll just wait and see what happens, and, if they miss the first boat,
they’ll just catch the second one. I think that Jesus warned us of the
Tribulation so that we would prepare to endure this difficult time.
[i] Webster’s Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language (New York: Gramercy Books, 1996), 957.
[ii] Pentecost, 203.
[iii] Actually, Pentecost lists 1 Peter 3:3-4, which has nothing to do with the return of the Lord. I assume he meant 2 Peter.
[iv] For the discussion on how we are caught up only to return and be revealed to the earth, see chapter 5, To Meet..
[v] See especially 1 Corinthians 15:53-57.
[vi] One of these is of particular interest. In Revelation 16:15, immediately before the seventh bowl is poured out at the very end of the Tribulation, Jesus says “Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who stays awake and keeps his clothes, so that he will not walk about naked and men will not see his shame.” (NKJV) The is the terminology so often connected with the church waiting for his return, yet this is at the close of the Tribulation, right before the second coming.
[vii] Or “at
hand,” see chapter 8,
Present or Imminent?
[viii] See the discussion in chapter 2, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3.
[ix] Some have thought that these beasts represent ancient kingdoms, such as in chapter 2. I fail to see how this could be if Daniel says that they are alive while the fourth beast (antichrist) is and even live on after he is destroyed (vv. 11-12). Furthermore, although the Hebrew word qum (“will arise,” piel imperfect, v. 17) could be taken as past, present, or future, the context favors a future translation. By this time the Babylonian empire had already come to an end, so it could not have been one of the four kingdoms in view.
[x] Tim Lahaye, Revelation Illustrated and Made Plain, (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1975), 8.
[xi] The NET
Bible even translates this as,
“Come up
here so that I can show you what must happen after these things.”
[xii] Or hear things in Paul’s case.
[xiii] See Mortals in the Kingdom, preceding section.
[xiv] For example, amillennialism answers many of the difficulties with premillennialism but must be rejected because it is not the teaching of Scripture.
[xv] John is definitely not saying that their reign began for a thousand years, which would be the alternative.
[xvi] The gospel of John, 1, 2 and 3 John and Revelation.
[xvii] Here the plural “churches” is used as a collection of the individual assemblies to whom this book was written (as it is in 1:4).
[xviii] When I was young and naive, I myself was affected by the 88 Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988 scare.
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